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Perhaps I am incapable of perceiving aspects of Scripture that are seen by others, but it really doesn't seem that veiled to me.

God takes no delight in losing any of His human creatures by their being eternally separated from Him. That's why He instituted a path of escape for "ANYONE" who "CHOOSES" to take it but Jesus did not serve as God's accepted substitute sacrifice for "EVERYONE" including those who "CHOOSE" to reject God's offer for "atonement". And the "window of opportunity" is strictly confined to the time that we have in life in this worldly realm prior to our death ("die once, then comes judgment").

All the rest relating to "irresistible grace", "election", and the concept of "those being chosen by God to be saved have nothing to say about it"- they are "destined by God to either be saved or lost", seems to contradict the context of Scripture and the manner in which God's application of grace has always been displayed throughout the Bible.

I don't know the motive for others taking the more "Calvinistic" approach, but it "appears to me" to display the struggle they have in dealing with God's sovereignty vs man's accountability, or "free will". No matter how they struggle to account for the aspect of "we sinners having the free will to choose our own destiny", it cannot be allowed when the concept of "irresistible grace" is applied.

Sorry, Wade, if it appears I am trying to put word in your mouth. This is just the impression I get when viewing such matters and the diverse positions taken by theologians.

Personally, I am not frustrated with this aspect of how some are judged to be unpresentable before the Throne, while others are judged to be "covered in the blood" and clothed in "righteousness" while simultaneously not compromising the "sovereignty" of God and His interaction with His pitiful, human, creatures. His "grace" is undeniably exhibited in His provision for a remedy for all those who choose to accept it, even when we are unworthy to be given that option.

This is one of the few areas in relating to God and how He does things, that I am comfortable with and feel confident that my position is consistent with the doctrines related to salvation, judgement, atonement, and "election". I have no problem in fitting the pieces of this puzzle together.

Robin Foster's avatar

Thanks for this article Wade. Highly researched. Appreciate your direct, yet humble tone. I know years ago when Drs. Yarnell, Harwood, and others authored a document that reflected a non-Calvinistic Southern Baptist view of the atonement, it was called Pelagian by Dr. Mohler. It was anything but though. Several leaders in the SBC endorsed it (which if Pelagian would make them heretics). A bit disappointed in Dr. Mohler's assessment of the doc. I have removed myself from these so called atonement wars and instead focused on telling others about Jesus/making disciples. But, when I come to a point in scripture, as I preach that deals with the subject, I try to be a bit more humble about it. I know there are Christians throughout Christian history that have debated this subject and we are no where near having the absolute truth on the matter. That truth won't be resolved this side of heaven. Until we all gather around the throne and worship our Lord and Savior, I link arms with fellow believers who differ on this and cooperate to share the good news to a lost and dying world. I am not saying studying this subject is not worth it, I am saying, fighting and dividing is. Thanks again.

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