Church and State

Be liberal in grace as a Christian and a conservative statist as to the Constitution.

Never confuse the church with the state or the state with the church

I served as a teaching pastor of large evangelical churches for over forty years. In 2022, I resigned from the pastorate to run for United States Congress (OK-03).

While I was a pastor, people called me a liberal. When I ran for Congress, people called me a fanatical Christian nationalist.

In reality, I’m a liberal Christian when it comes to my grace and love for all people, but I'm a conservative statist in terms of the Constitution of the United States.

Separation of Church and State

Congress isn’t the church, nor should the church try to be Congress.

The division in our country seems to spring from confusion.

Liberals want the nation as our churches, and Conservatives want the churches as our nation.

The Church and the State must always be separate.

For example:

1. As Christians, we should want the hungry to be fed, the poor to be assisted, the wounded to be healed, the homeless to be housed, sinners to be forgiven, prisons to be emptied, the immigrants to be accepted, and wars to end.

2. As Patriots, we should want the borders to be closed, immigration to be limited and legalized, criminals to be punished, national defense a priority, and our churches to care for the poor and homeless, not government social programs.

NEW YORK CITY: Epicenter of Confusion

NYC government is the epitome of confusion over church and state.

I recently spent time in New York City on a mission to help the poor.

I was shocked at the number of homeless sleeping on the streets, even in Times Square, Manhattan, and Midtown.

Drug deals - hard drug deals (cocaine, heroin, etc.) -  are conducted in the open without the threat of arrest. Crime is skyrocketing.

A little four-year-old girl was hit with a stray bullet in Times Square during broad daylight. The video of the police officer carrying the limp, bleeding, wounded girl to safety went viral. Trash is everywhere on the streets, and the city feels unsafe. 

Government confusion has destroyed New York City.  

The New York Police Department officers we met were wonderful.

We prepared hamburgers for them, gave them prayer grams from people in Oklahoma, and encouraged them.

The officers told us: